It looks like a mirac Its in the hole! I saw they also have a dual length set for people that just don't want to play long 6i length short irons. The long irons are 5i length and the mid First off you might be surprised to know that in the computer industry the clone market was hugeand believe it or not names like Compaq, Dell and Gateway all started as clone computer companies. ive built mell clubs for 12 yrs.i made a mellow yellow driver,9.5 degrees, with a proforce stiff shaft.took it to course and was smashing it.a scratch golfer ask to hit it.he drove on an average,15 yards pass his ping driver.but would he let me make him one or buy mine?no way.ive made lots of clone clubs,but never made another like the bang mellow yellow.aas amatter of fact,i just received a new 10.5 degree mellow yellow head. Women's MyGolfSpy (WMGS) General Discussion Forum, Lessons, Drills, Fitness and Training Aids, Suggestion Box - Reach out to the Forum Staff (Open for All Member Responses). As far as irons are concerned, as long as the material used is of a certain quality Ive come to the conclusion that stamped metal is stamped metal. While there may have been a foundry that produced both OEM and Clone, it isnt a general rule, as OEMs have strict contracts with the foundries they use, that prevents the practice. Construction, Material, or Quality. R.J. owned Kent Graphtec, an importer of club components from Taiwan and, later, China. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. .every year get fever,and build a new set of irons,..its a lot of joy, looking at sites,picking the pieces, then having them built just for me. While the Burner produces a pleasant ting and outstanding feel at impact, the Heated was often described as clunky, almost heavy at impact. I have the Acer XK driver and 3w, the XF driver, XK 3h, XK irons, XF irons, XB wedges and San Miguel putter even though the XKs have been relegated to the dugout, I wouldnt trade any of them. How well are the clone/knockoffs made? Of course, that has to be with an * because of of all the stuff I mentioned earlier. Just to finish it off, I also have DTGs S2 Pro 3h and 4h and Inazone CNC Shadow wedges. Counterfeit Clubs and Clones are more often manufactured in the same factories in China. But both models tested were 460cc titanium drivers. There have been recent factories busted in China. SEARCH ALL Used GOLF CLUBS FROM ALL BRANDS Fewer? Im a 73 year old guy with a bag full of unmatched clubs (some clones, some brand names, all with the same grip) that worked his handicap down to 6 at the age of 72. Im glad the rental only cost me $15.00 any more and I would have been upset at myself renting them. Why buy a clone when you can get very good used OEM or used component clubs from great firms like Wishon or KZG? I know Wishon wasnt. I have been researching single length clubs again and I may just have to order a few Pinhawks to build/test. When i researched them i found they were clones of the Cobra King Cobra set. If we simply look at the raw averages we see that the Clone was actually more accurate! There may very well have been rogue foundries that produced Clones while also producing OEMs. I trust GolfWorks regarding their club head model designs/quality and spec tolerances. Knock-Offs operates under the same principle. I did not hear of Pinhawk until the single length club movement gain in popularity (last ~10 years or so). Because the ball position and club length are the same, you can use the same swing for every single-length iron, improving consistency and repeatability. If your not a sub 10 handicap chances are you arent good enough to fully take advantage of the clubs your hitting. One of the two is a multiple major tournament winner. Can clone golf clubs perform as well as the higher priced name brand golf clubs?. 1. Have you read the above stated article I am talking about. Ill use Infiniti as an example. Maybe the new Golfworks KE4 can play like the originals but for cost these keep me in the 80 range on the scorecard. I have the Dynacraft CNC forged wedge that's currently for sale on Hireko's site. Always has been and always will be. Sent from my SM-N960U using MyGolfSpy mobile app. Theoriginal Golfworks KE4 iron heads out around 1990 were I think the first adjustable weight heads you coulg get and the ones I first shot scores in the mid 70's with. Definitions: TaylorMade gets credit for the original design. There are just too many cases backing up the problems. Do a couple of irons too, test a 9, 7 and 5 iron from 4 or 5 different popular clones and their OEM twin. These companies and others (Alpha, GeekGolf, KZG, etc) have very high quality, custom designed components that are just as good and in many cases better than the name brand manufactures. While I remember the ACER brand back in the mid 90's, I think Hireko started early 2000's (could be off here). Yes, I know this is a 2011 article. And while I might argue that over the last couple of years theyve taken a small step backwards in those areas, they remain largely ahead of the curve. I have purchased components from Golfsmith, Golfworks, Hireko and Diamond Tour Golf to name a few. The customs people thought my father was [the primary distributor of] King Snake, which in its heyday had something like 10% of the market, Jethro says, but a lot of people were importing that product. As far as woods go, I stick with the name brands because there is a lot more to a wood than just to look like the other. Giga provides a great club for the average golfer at an affordable price. So thinking that only clones and counterfeits are made there is just preposterous. Head is just going along for the ride. Given its what youre actually swinging. Dont lump everyone into a category. Both my Acer XKs and XFs were all either on spec or less than one gram off (.8g being the farthest off). A former assistant groundskeeper about to become the Masters champion. He mentioned they also had design input on the Pinhawk heads too. 2nd Swing offers the largest selection of used golf clubs both online and in our stores, including every brand and model imaginable. OK, dianond tours own shaft in smoke is just gorgous,and cheap,(deep smoke,or gold) DTs heads, and winn grips. that would be true in large part. Just because something in a Chinese factory was allowed to happen, does not make it right. Theymay not be fancy looking and after 8 years playing with them over 150 days each seasonin Alaska the paint is scraping off the titanium club head a bit, but that doesn't effect the way it plays. I would like to see the stock shafts for each club tested. I agree with some other posts. Now counterfeit producers is a different story. The 2nd tier often makes some of the mid-size golf companies that a lot of you play but they also make some of the top components and clones for companies like Golfsmith, Hireko and Diamondtour . Probably because I used cheap shafts I already had that were not really to my likening regarding feel/weighting. If you line 50 men up of varying heights with hands at their sides you will find almost all, regardless of even 56 or 66, their hands will all be at about the same height. They both feature dual-crown technology, and of course, a lower center of gravity for higher launch, and lower spin. Starting should also include lessons. . Both sets have the same loft per club. Learn more about Tim. I have the t7 which is the R7 clone. The suggested mens length for the Pinhawk SL's is 37", which is a typical 7 iron length. In my experience, an average length hitter who hits very accurately will beat a long hitter with low accuracy, almost every time out. Its in the hole! Sadly, thats ignorance on the consumers part. Clone golf bagssure there are: Hes a Cinderella story. HeIl, we may even have completely different views on what best means. I also own a Sasquatch, SuMo 5000, Callaway FT-3, 5 and 9, a Speedline, a W/S Smooth (finally- been wanting that for a while), a Burner SuperFast 1.0, a Turner True Speed Ablaze (DTG), an Inazone XC-7, Odyssey WH XG #9, Odyssey DF #5, Adams Boxer A3 3h and countless wedges from Cleveland, Nike, Callaway, TMag and Adams. Ive been eyeing the Dynacrafts, and drooling over the KZGs. I wish you would have also tested the stock shaft on that clone driver. He explained that they design the clubs from Acer and most of the brands in their website. At a distance it looks pretty sharp. As for the clone argument, are those on the side of the big manufacturers going to stay on their side if we take this argument to off brand manufacturers who design and make some very good clubs but dont have the budget to promote like the giants? I no longer build drivers or sets, because I was checking iron set I received and the individual weights varied as much as 12 -15 grams which can be huge. No Research and Design Costs. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. With the Burner, our testers produced ball speeds that were between 2 and 6 MPH faster than with the Heated. Normally shot between 16 and 21 over on the courses I regularly play. On 5/20/2020 at 10:38 PM, aerospace_ray said: On 5/24/2020 at 9:08 AM, aerospace_ray said: On 5/24/2020 at 10:48 AM, Guest Delete said: ltby?" I also have a few different sets of clubs and many extra clubs lying around the house. Four yardincrements makes it hard to play a course. WebGigaGolf Custom Golf Clubs FREE STAND BAG with $500 custom Learn More a GIGAGOLF EXPERT for club fitting assistance or to place an order by phone (M-F) 8 to 5 est Learn More Play better golf with custom clubs fit I picked these up as a 20 HC and played them. Copyright 2023 1757 Golf Club All Rights Reserved. There is so many aspects to playing this game, and so many different things that can effect how we play. As a mechanic, Ive been building my own clubs for the past 26 years, and yes I have quite an inventory. Dont believe all this nonsense you have heard or read and then presented as factola! However: the result you provided does tell us that one club seems not twenty-five percent better to justify the cost difference, but as with a new suit, cost is a factor to most people some believing the lower cost buys the good-enough quality and some believe they deserve the best, and humans equate best with price. My DTG S2 Pros were both on spec. While I cant speak for GolfSmith, Hireko is also considered partly a clone company. I have built clubs as a hobby for some time and certainly am happy to hear your testing results on brand names vs. clones. I switched to the Hireko prophet irons. I get great loft and distance. Ive used their 302 model iron for years now and just recently compared their performance against several of the leading irons on the market. You will receive personalized attention from the initial interview through product delivery. The later hurts the Golf Manufacturers and the integrity of their designs, thereby hurts all involved, Reps, Retailers, and yes ultimately the game of golf. Spin While many manufacturers are promoting less spin off the driver, the truth of the matter is that the distance equation is far more complex than less spin = more yards. Also, your purchase will include LIFETIME LIE ANGLE ADJUSTMENTS. One doesnt have to be an Attorney to read or be educated on the law. It appears that you are debating the way he phrased the sentence. Fast forward to now and Dynacraft is Hireko complete with Jeff Summit, a go to guru on club building and perfotmance that worked Dynacraft with Tom Wishon. My perception of what I see around me is that golfers fall into two categories. Also illegal is a club that is very close to a direct copy and is termed either confusingly similar (if it infringes on company trademarks) or substantially similar (if it infringes on design patents). An excerpt from Pssst . Go back to the drawing board and get a fair representation of the better quality heads and their nearest OEM head. For those that are dead set against clonesyou should remember this.many name brand models are modeled after other companies designs as well. The 2nd tier often makes some of the mid-size golf companies that a lot of you play but they also make some of the top components for companies like Golfsmith and Hireko and clones for companies like Diamondtour. in my opinion would have been more accurate. 2nd Swing also offers custom options to make sure your used golf clubs are built with the grips, wraps, stamping, paint-fill, and specs that fit you and your swing. The real enemy here is the counterfiet club not the knock-off, in an age where we are all trying to bring more people to this wonderfully aggrevating game I think that the knock-offs help fill a price point and allow more people to afford to play the game. I switched to Dynacraft Prophet cavity backs and have not looked back. And also just so you know OEMs have almost always tried to prevent foundries from doing clone products at the same foundriesbut it happens everyday. Clone equipment is within the patent and trademark limits and for the reputable companies selling clones is 100% legal. Hed have the components assembled at his warehouse outside of Los Angeles and would distribute them to retailers all over the U.S. The golf business was so good between 1991 and 97, you could sell anything, Jethro says. I would like to purchase clone component heads from China but I am skeptical because I have no knowledge of which companies to trust. I would love to see this same thing done with a set of irons. Truth isclones are good for people that just cannot afford a Major brand and/or a custom set! Cookies help us deliver our services. I will say that some companies make good in-house shafts. Some such as Geek dont even sell irons. Contrary to a traditional set of irons, the SL's are all designed to be the same length throughout the entire set. I picked up a set of King Snake MRs in the local ads for 25. In my opinion, like I said, I would go with OEM. Why? if you go with cheapest components, you can get a set really cheap, but why not buy a little better, and get a set worthy or even better than store sets for half the price.? Its in the hole! Carl Spackler. I would like to see head to head comparisons of drivers, irons, hybrids, etc. Stupid autocorrect! But the same thing has already happened in electronics, computers and even automobiles. Incidentally, what we believe to be generally true is that its not just clones, but also respected component brands where the single biggestdifferentiationbetween their product and that of the big OEMs isnt performance, but rather polish. I think what is more interesting is that you missed the fact that I stated in the sentence those companies are both clone and component makers: DIRECT QUOTE: Of course, its completely fine for you to voice your opinion, but you should not be critizing others product decisions. I need cheap clubs and their just as good. It would seem Value Golf is where the Pinhawk clubheads originated. I saw they also have a dual length set for people that just don't want to play long 6i length short irons. A counterfeiter tries to alter a companys protected features just enough to avoid prosecution. I do not know if you are getting your information simply from other posted articles or notbut it is once again not the case. Of course the currently have their hands and funds fully committed going after Counterfeit Clubs. It's rather nice, spins decently, good feel. Our numbers suggest a clone offers more bang for the buck. I know Maltby designs their clubs but does Hireko design theirs? Nearly all heads are made in China, but that isnt the point. You might also find it surprising that these clone designs are often approved by the name brand manufacturers before they are released. So you are saying that geek golf that you run is just a spin off as well. Sorry the average golfer is not able to drop $3-400 for a driver or fairway wood. I have used the big brands like TaylorMade, component brands like Golfsmith, and unbranded clone clubs. Clear editor. You will receive personalized attention from the initial interview through product delivery. Clones what good are they? The assertion made that many Clones are made in the same factories as OEM clubs is unsubstantiated and simply incorrect. Light and low torque. Clothing manufacturers have been battling this issue for many years. Now Im down to 6.3, been playing clone irons the whole time and usually Orkut drivers but not always and often times I play an 8 year old Taylor made r510 tp. The altered logo would be applied to the graphite shafts Yarn-Way was making for Lious Integra line. Eliminating the human factor suggests we can hit a golf ball off the tee with precise consistency if we use the same club. Not one of our testers showed more than 300 RPMs between drivers (Dans average was less than 15 RPMs between clubs). Are Acer and Pinhawk owned by Hireko? He incorporated the word Integra into the logo and then submitted it to Liou for approval. You were basing most of your information on PssstWanna buy some clubs?, which only talks about Integra and Trophy Sports (owned by the same family). I like them a lot, price was great, looks are great and pleased with the performance. all play a role not only what we think of a club design, but also how we perceive performance. But with confusingly or substantially similar knockoffs, the line between legality and patent or trademark infringement is often fuzzy and is subject to legal challenge and interpretation. Fill out the form below and a member from our team will get in touch! If golfers were in the world of buying by results club sales would shrink to almost zero. Didn't find much else on here, so that's why I started the new thread to explore more. If you cant afford the latest and greatest, do some research and find something that will work for you at a price you can afford. Display as a link instead, Thats one of the most credible sources on golf equipment and the up-and-comer in the golf media (with THREE other sources) that shoots down your claim. I cant say Ive chased the next new thing, only last year did I move the a 460 driver, of course I had to build three. How many of us have purchased the latest whoopie doo driver to find no difference in handicap. While laser technology can scan the outside, they do not scan the inside. The real issue is what so called reputable companies charge for their equipment. We took a quick reading on the DigiFlex and found only a 2 CPM difference infrequencybetween the two clubs. SWIFT) I ran a small clubmaking andrepair business in the late 80's and early 90's and bought from Golfworks, Golfsmith, and Dynacraft. Looking at the group as a whole, we found that the Burner produced swing speeds that were on average 2.39 MPH faster than the Heated clone. From affordable golf clubs for those on a budget, mint golf clubs, and many used golf clubs with light cosmetic wear. They are good components and last as long as other components, I have bought. The foundation of our methodology is that both fitter and customer must have the opportunity to observe actual ball flight. Has anyone ever stolen a customer of yours? There is no substitute for having a good swing and practicing the right stuff. TaylorMade Stealth DHY Custom Utility Iron. YOUR DIRECT QUOTE: It has become rampant and that is why ACUSHNET (TITLEIST/COBRAS), ADAMS, CALLAWAY, CLEVELAND, PING, and TAYLORMADE are part of and formed the U.S. . They perform just as well as my old Pings for a fraction of the cost. I called Hireko and spoke to the guy who makes the videos (tech line). He explained that they design the clubs from Acer and most of the brands in which are probably built to higher and tighter specifications than are branded merchandise. Web1 Acer SR1 Fairway Woods $94.99 Acer XV Irons $44.99 Rating: 3 Acer XV Pro Irons $44.99 Rating: 1 Acer SR1 Hybrids $79.99 Acer XDS Fairway Woods $94.99 Rating: 6 Acer XDS Extreme Draw Fairway Woods $94.99 Acer XDS Extreme Draw Titanium Driver $159.99 Rating: 1 Acer XV Ultimate Thriver $169.99 Rating: 9 Acer XV Thriver Mini Ball Speed As you might expect, higher clubhead speed produces higher ball speed. I played a set of extremely cheap looking rental clubs. Note: The FTC considers the terms Clone and Knock-Off to be identical. If you choose to purchase new golf clubs from us, your clubs will be custom-built to your specifications at prices comparable to major online retailers. Golfworks (Malby) and Wishon Golf (Tom Wishon) are two of the best. Okay, you somewhat mixed it up. For those who want to play Knock-Offs, yes it is your right. The point of his article, as with any good marketing person, the tolerances of his product offerings were much tighter than the competition. I am/was a Dynacraft Class A clubmaker and a member of the old Dynacraft ProfessionalClubmakers Society. Not sure about Pinhawk, think they are their own entity. We carry a full line of product offerings, from best value starter and junior

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